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Thursday, June 28, 20071183059000

Brilliant, baby!

I may not have determined if the Bush-McCain-Kennedy immigration compromise was slightly good overall, or slightly bad overall, but the Republican netroots have proven one thing:

No matter how hard your party works to integrate latinos into a political coalition, talk radio hosts and bloggers can blow it in a month.

Brilliant, baby!

"No to Amnesty" may be incoherent when it comes from a party that would not freeze corporate taxbreaks until every corporate criminal is brought to justice it, but why should it? Talk radio says so!

Brilliant, baby!

But no matter how inane the worst conservative influence make the Republicans, Nancy Pelosi is out to prove that, no matter how brain-dead the Republican netroots are, her Democratic Party is even worse. The latest scheme?

Speech quotas.

Brilliant, baby!

Comments

I think there in lies the problem... you did not view this latest bill as a good way of integrating latinos into a political coalition and I expect that the majority of the talk radio personalities, bloggers and callers to their senators certainly didn’t (myself included).

If the Republicans want to win over the latino vote, great for them... they just need to be careful not to do so in a way that irritates their base as they most recently did.

Posted by: Brendan | Thursday, June 28, 2007

Brendan,

Could you rephrase your first paragraph?

Thanks to the netroots, the party lost the latino vote in '08 and divided itself. This is the worst self-inflicted wound since the Harriet Miers fiasco, which set the stage for this. Too bad.

Posted by: Dan tdaxp | Friday, June 29, 2007

The problem seems to be that you thought the proposed bill and how it was being fast tracked to a vote (ie little debate, no committee meetings, low availability of the text of the bill prior to the second failed cloture vote) was good... I, the netroots and talk show hosts and listeners didn't.

I (and I expect many others) would be a lot more willing to talk about legalizing the 12 some million here when existing law is being enforced and not even a prairie mouse can make it across the US/Mexico border without being detected, intercepted, detained, interrogated and returned. Sure, the latest bill promised just this sort of thing... only we've been promised secure borders many times in past and until someone delivers, I expect that there is going to be little willingness on any side to compromise (excluding those who do not think there should be a border).

It's like trying to re-furnish your basement after it gets flooded without repairing whatever leaks that allowed or are allowing the flood/flooding in the first place. Until the flood of illegal aliens is stopped (or at least reduced to a manageable trickle) across that border, we will just keep being faced with what we've got today, millions of illegal's.

Posted by: Brendan | Friday, June 29, 2007

Brendan,

"The problem seems to be that you thought the proposed bill and how it was being fast tracked to a vote (ie little debate, no committee meetings, low availability of the text of the bill prior to the second failed cloture vote) was good... I, the netroots and talk show hosts and listeners didn't."

"Fast track" is an important process -- it's a way to get reform through that is supported by elites of both parties but controversial among the general population. The Republican Congress gets a lot of credit for working with Bill Clinton on the peso bailout, NAFTA, the WTO, etc, even when Clinton's own party opposed him.

Sadly, the Democratic leadership did not display the same courage.

"I (and I expect many others) would be a lot more willing to talk about legalizing the 12 some million here when existing law is being enforced and not even a prairie mouse can make it across the US/Mexico border without being detected, intercepted, detained, interrogated and returned."

Indeed, though the lack of similar zeal in any other policy area is startling if this was all there is. Shoudl all corrupt criminals be jailed before any enterprise reform is considered? Should all deadbeat debtors have their assets liquidated before any bankruptcy reform is considered? Should all bad people among our allies be killed in war before we attack our enemies?

Of course not.

"Until the flood of illegal aliens is stopped (or at least reduced to a manageable trickle) across that border, we will just keep being faced with what we've got today, millions of illegal's."

The way to end this is to change the structure that attracts illegal aliens to our economy. There are two main ways of doing this.

1. Collapse the economy
2. Provide legal methods of immigration so that grey market immigration does not exist

Which do you choose?

And, before you say, "Legal reform, after all illegal immigration is stopped," I remind you that is the same thing as "doing nothing."

Sure, the latest bill promised just this sort of thing... only we've been promised secure borders many times in past and until someone delivers, I expect that there is going to be little willingness on any side to compromise (excluding those who do not think there should be a border)."

Posted by: Dan tdaxp | Saturday, June 30, 2007

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