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Dan tdaxp: Holocaust Denier?
An interesting discussion about Pope John Paul II, Catholicism, and reason:
Original Claim, by Forbush:
Many people know that Pope John Paul II declared the Iraq War an unjust war before he died. Many Anti-War activists have argued that the Iraq War was not a “Just War,” since it was proposed at the end of 2002.But most people don’t even know what a “Just War” is and how the Iraq War matches up to the ideas behind “Just War Theory.”
Question, by me:
" Pope John Paul II declared the Iraq War an unjust war before he died"
Reference?
Somehow, I expect you'll either refuse to cite on, or give a reference to something else...
His first reply:
From here as one source, but there are many. You really should learn to use Goggle.
http://www.catholicpeacefellowship.org/nextpage.asp?m=2199
"Just before the war, the pope sent an envoy, Cardinal Pio Laghi, to ask Bush to exhaust every last means of diplomacy and work through the United Nations for a peaceful solution. The Vatican called the war illegal and unjust. But before the cardinal even touched down in Washington, the administration said the meeting would not matter. The White House countered the pope's claim that an invasion was unjust with apocalyptic visions of needing to stop a Hitler."
My second reply
So to back-up your unsourced allegation you give... another unsourced allegation?
Where did the Vatican Say this? Was it by the Papal Nuncio? By a formal letter? Through the Vatican Secretary of State?
Please, provide a reference, or do not make such claims about my faith.
His second reply
I'm sure you don't believe in the Hollacaust either, deal with it!
For the record, here's Godwin's Law
Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:
" As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (i.e. certainty)."
There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. In addition, it is considered poor form to invoke the law explicitly. Godwin's law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. Many people understand Godwin's law to mean this, although (as is clear from the statement of the law above) this is not the original formulation.
17:05 Posted by Dan tdaxp in Blogosphere | Permalink | Comments (3) | Email this | Tags: holocaust
Comments
I don't dispute that the Pope declared the war illegal. I just dispute the Pope's authority to do so. And frankly, the man's mental faculties had declined considerably since his days of greater moral clarity.
I wish your commenter would return long enough to tell us whether he's equally willing to invoke the Pope's moral authority on the question of abortion. If you must invoke Godwin's Law, that would strike me as a more defensible case of Joshua's Corollary:
"Godwin's Law shall have no effect if the invoking party can link to authoritative evidence that a person or practice compared to Hitler or the Nazis has intentionally caused the deaths of at least one hundred thousand human beings."
Posted by: Joshua | Thursday, August 04, 2005
Using the powers given to me, under the authority of Bishop Robert Carlson: I declare that the man commonly known as "tdaxp" on this blog is a true and faithful Catholic of the Latin Rite.
Posted by: Catholicgauze | Thursday, August 04, 2005
Woot! I've never been blessed by an Extraordinary Minister of the Eucha...
oh, wait, in a final "up yours" to an uncaring world, John Paul II demoted all the EME's to what, Emergency Ministers of the Holy Communion?
heh
:-6
Posted by: Dan | Thursday, August 04, 2005